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Keep Putting Off Your To-Do List?
Find out why you procrastinate, how to avoid it, and simple tips to start doing the tasks that you are putting off.
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Nathan Simmonds:
Good afternoon, sticky learning. Lunches. Lunches. Gonna give a couple more seconds while we wait for the last few people to come into the room. Good afternoon, Colin. Darren, good to see you, Tim. Welcome as always, just as we’re getting ourselves in, just gonna make sure, let’s get these phones on flight mode, zero out the distraction, a hundred percent attention. Just gonna give it a moment. Hello, Claire. Good to see you. Welcome in. It’s Thursday, good to be here, and we’re gonna dive in, in just a moment. Karen, good to see you. Thanks for being here.
Nathan Simmonds:
So right now, before we even get into today’s session, those of you that are here now ready to start that thing that you said that you were procrastinating on or had been procrastinating on you, hopefully, fingers crossed, you’ve come up with one or two actions that you could have taken or have taken to help move you forward and get that thing done. Get it off your to-do list, stop the procrastination, and you know, get that action in place. How are you progressing on a scale of one to 10, one being not at all, 10 being completely taking action.
Nathan Simmonds:
On a scale of one to 10, whereabouts are you on actually moving toward getting that thing done? 10, one, not at all. 10 being complete action or taking action? We’ve got an eight. Good. We’ve got 10. Good. So those things that you said, happy days. Yeah. Nice. Got another 10 in there. So those things that you said you were procrastinating on about, even with two 20 minute conversations or two 30 minute conversations, you’ve now come up with one small action that you could take and you have taken, and you are now moving forward to get that thing done.
Nathan Simmonds:
Howard, no need to apologize that you are with us. That’s all that matters. This is it. This is as simple as that. When you see it as too big and it’s over overpowering, you know, it’s too big. It is. You know, it’s the big hairy ugly frog that we don’t wanna eat. You know, we, we find reasons and we make the excuses to put it off, but actually one small action moves you closer towards it. How do you now feel in one word about that thing that you are procrastinating about?
Nathan Simmonds:
Knowing now that you’ve taken at least, you know, 1, 2, 3 actions against it. How do you feel about that thing? You are procrastinating about? new faces in the room. I love this. Good to see you, Basan. Thank you for being here. Lynn. Petra, good to see you again. Ramla. Rock and roll, productive. This is exactly what it’s about. You know, there was a reason why you are procrastinating about that thing. How long has that thing that you’ve been procrastinating about being in your mentor, on your mentor to-do list? How long has it been there for?
Nathan Simmonds:
Do you have the wherewithal to take action once I’m in control? Several years, two days? Absolutely. Now, it might be two days worth of procrastination, or several years, but actually now you’ve taken an action. You’re mo you know, you’ve now taking one small step. The journey of a thousand miles, as we all know, you know, it starts with one step. And the successes of tomorrow are made by the actions that we take today. Or they may seem like cliche memes or, or quotes. It’s the truth and the moment, you can see the excuses that you are saying that we talked about in day one.
Nathan Simmonds:
Those seven excuses, easy, boring, certainty, thrill, whatever it might be, when we hear those words, we can understand that we’re procrastinating. When we boil it down, we can then understand which one of the four values that we’re, we’re, we’re moving towards, and which one of those two fears is starting to come up. This hope, this is all plugging into some of the thinking that’s you, you’re starting to see how you’re talking, how you’re behaving about certain things. And when you can see this a little bit more clearly, it just gives you an opportunity to do something a little bit differently.
Nathan Simmonds:
Good. And we haven’t even got into today’s session yet. I was just giving you the warmup of, you know, plugging in from yesterday and the day before. Quick recap. So everyone, you are in the room. Thank you for being here. Welcome to today’s Sticky Learning lunch with me, Nathan Simmons, senior leadership coach and trainer for MBM, making Business Matter, the Home of Learning. And we are the leadership development and soft skills provider to the grocery and manufacturing industry. Idea of these sessions is to give you new ideas, uncommon thinking, delivered in uncommon ways to help you get uncommon results.
Nathan Simmonds:
More success, more successful than other people have been in their thinking and their approaches and their delivery. That’s what this is about. And I’m gonna give you these micro learnings to help you be the best version of you in the work that you do right now and preparing you potentially for the return to work if that hasn’t happened yet. Good phones, I’ve already done mine. For those that arrived afterwards. Phones on flight mode, a hundred percent attention, top of a fresh page. Let’s get some, a fresh page for fresh thinking at the top of that page. Keep us, these are the things you wanna remember, remind yourself about.
Nathan Simmonds:
And when you go back and read it to reignite that thinking and help you really make this, this learning stick, that’s what it’s about. Making sure the behavioral change goes in, it stays there and you do something differently. Let’s do this. Day three of procrastination, excuses. We covered human needs, the fears. Where does all this come from? So what we have, or when this comes up is we learn at a very early age that right and wrong is a binary equation. We learn that failure is bad and that you know that it’s, you know, the failure is painful and success is good.
Nathan Simmonds:
And we learn to steer away from the failure. And we learn this as a is a simple yes or no. It’s ones and zeros primarily. Where we learn this though is, you know, in, in early life, it’s where we learn this first two fears is around the age of kind of 2, 3, 4 years old. We start to learn these fears. It’s taught to us by our parents and our grandparents. They did the best that they could with the best that they had and to, you know, to deliver the best possible result they could. And that was in our parents, in know, in our, in our upbringing, which is where we are at right now.
Nathan Simmonds:
When we start to understand these behaviors and where these fears come from, we can start to unpick them when we then go to school. Who here, and I may have mentioned this before, I ask you guys here, who here remembers spelling tests at school? Yes or no? Who did spelling tests when they were at school? I am presuming this is probably a fairly international thing. Yes. Okay. So you would get, you know, when you were younger, you would get given 10 words and you would go home and you would learn those 10 words.
Nathan Simmonds:
And then next week you would you know, you would do your spelling test. Everyone remember this. And you would sit there and the teacher would read out the word, and then you diligently write it down and you get to the end of the words and hope that you, you know, you’ve done all your your revision and you’d learned these words by heart and how to spell them. And then you get to school and you write them down, and then you pass ’em to the person to the left. You know, correct me if I’m wrong, everyone, remember everyone with me on this, you know, you’ve written your 10 words down and you pass ’em to the person to the left, and you have to tick across them.
Nathan Simmonds:
And you are doing this for the person to your right. And the person to your left is doing this for you. And then what happens, you know, you get a series of ticks and crosses and then the teacher calls up the, the celebrates who got 10 out 10. Everyone’s like, yeah, I got 10 out of 10. And maybe you didn’t, maybe you got six out of 10, maybe you got five out of 10. And what are the sort of things, do you remember what the, the, the person to your left or to your right, whoever you gave your spelling test. Do you remember what they used to call you when now your so-called friends would call you when you didn’t get know the highest score, or you’ve got the lowest score for whatever reason.
Nathan Simmonds:
And you don’t have to write them in the, in the, in the chat box or the question box. You know, your so-called friends because we dunno any better. Then they’re calling you thick or they’re calling you stupid. So you start to learn this behavior. You know, they, okay, the people that get 10 out, 10, they get celebrated. But the people over here that don’t know, that doesn’t feel good. What we do is we experience insults and we start to learn that right and wrong is that binary equation. We start to learn, like I say that fear the failure comes with a price of pain. It doesn’t feel good, and success feels good and is celebrated. So we always have to be moving towards success.
Nathan Simmonds:
But the interesting dynamic of this is that fear, sorry, that failure isn’t the opposite of success. Failure is the route to success. You cannot have one without the other. They’re not opposite ends of some of a spectrum. They’re a continuum. They’re part of the same thing. Night and day aren’t opposites. They’re one thing. They’re a natural flow of harmony of how nature works. Now, up and down, left and right, doesn’t matter. One isn’t the opposite of the other. The other is the counterbalance to make the other one work. You can’t have one without the other.
Nathan Simmonds:
But at an early age, we learned that this failure is painful because it comes with insults or derogatory language or negative feeling, or that you didn’t do, didn’t work hard enough for this fear of not enough. I’m not intelligent enough to pass my spelling test. No, I can’t afford to fail this because my parents will think less of me. Anyone experience this? Yes or no? Anyone have some experience of this in, in different ways?
Nathan Simmonds:
Or, you know, I can’t get less than 10 out of 10 because so and so will think less of me. Yes or no? And it comes in different ways. The interesting thing is as we get older, we, the, the words that we use, as I said to you before, become slightly more complex and nuanced because we think we are more complicated. But the truth is, most of us are just young children trapped in adult bodies, still living by these same excuses that we were making previously. So it is important we understand where this learning comes from and we can do something different.
Nathan Simmonds:
And most of the time it’s because we think that that person thinks that about us. We spend most of our life wandering around worrying and thinking that, worrying about what we think someone else thinks of us. And you know what? This is the truth. Do you know what those people actually think of you? This is the best bit. Nothing because they’re too busy thinking, what are you thinking about them? So actually there’s this complete disconnect with what’s going on in our heads compared to reality, which then causes these fears to come up, which then turns into procrastination. Does this, I’m hoping this makes sense.
Nathan Simmonds:
Do you see how this links in with the, with the, the seven excuses into the, the human needs and the, and the four fears, the two fears that come up? Can you see how these link, yes or no? You’re with me. There’s a slight delay. Yeah. Makes sense. Good. Yes, with you. Good, thank you. It take a while to come in this, these responses. So what happens is, predominantly I did that a bit bigger than I wanted to. This is you, you’re a battery, simple circuit, goes up here, goes down here. So this battery is you generating lots of energy up here. Simple circuit
Nathan Simmonds:
Light bulb. This is the light bulb, a massive success. We send all our energy up there and the light bulb goes off and everybody sees us. The whole world’s fantastic. We, we illuminate the world in our work and what we do in our relationship by all this energy we put up here. But because we learn this failure mechanism or this understanding of what failure is and we learn that it’s painful, that rather than send the energy up here and set this light bulb off in case we get it wrong, we create a trip switch because of that, us believing that failure is the opposite to opposite to success.
Nathan Simmonds:
So the electricity goes up here, we get concerned about this light bulb going off. ’cause We don’t know, we haven’t got any certainty now that it actually is gonna work. We trip the switch, the energy goes through here and goes back to the battery and the light bulb never goes off. So we don’t actually put what we need to out in the world to demonstrate what’s going on. How many times did it take Edison to make the light bulb?
Nathan Simmonds:
How many times did it take Edison? 1000 plus some people say a thousand, some thousand, 10,000 thousands, hundreds. 600. Who knows who caress. If Edison at any one point had then suddenly said, oh, do you know what this light bulb making is not for me? Where would we, where would we be right now? If he had said at any point, this isn’t for me, I’m not doing it in the dark, good. Multiple responses coming in to say in the absolutely this laptop wouldn’t exist. The light ring wouldn’t exist, mobile phones wouldn’t exist, streetlights wouldn’t exist.
Nathan Simmonds:
But every time that he made a light bulb or was attempting to make a light bulb and it didn’t work, he just said, I’ve just found another way. How not to make a light bulb keep going. ’cause He understood that failure was the route to success. How do we overcome this? Three steps super easy when we understand this light bulb and you are setting off. Now, whether it’s failure, whether it’s success, it has to have the intent to set the light bulb off so you can put that energy out there. Do I get every one of these sticky learning lunches correct a hundred percent of the time, yes or no? Do I get these lunches sticky learning lunches correct or not a hundred percent of the time I don’t even get the words out this time.
Nathan Simmonds:
Do I understand though, or do I go back and reflect and say, okay, actually how do I make this better? What have I learned from this? How do I interact with people in a different way? You know, even, and I’m pretty sure Tim mentioned this to me before, if you go back and look at episode one of sticky learning lunches and compare it to episode wherever we are now, 37, 38 in this whole series currently, and see what’s happened and what’s different, you’ll see that it wasn’t perfect. Now practice doesn’t make perfect.
Nathan Simmonds:
Practice makes progress, and we have to keep moving forward. And this is the light bulb, a massive success. It’s the light bulb, a massive progress. ’cause If I learn ’em from that and share it and build on it, it still gives people the new concepts, new impetus and new ability to keep moving themselves forward. How do we get through this one? The first thing we do, because procrastination is in your nature. You cannot get away from it. Do not fight your nature. Work with nature.
Nathan Simmonds:
We got three P’s. I’m hoping you can see all of this. Three P’s I’m gonna check color pens. We got a little bit of dynamics. The first P plan, super simple, super simple. And I’m not a fan of the word simple, but we’ll go with this plan. Time to procrastinate. Your brain is going to do it in some way, shape or form, depending on the project, the relationship, whatever, whatever it is you’re doing, it’s going to happen. Embrace it. The only reason that procrastination becomes a problem is one, your fear kicks in and you believe you’re not good enough or you’re gonna lose love that kicks in and then you start to make excuses.
Nathan Simmonds:
The other reason that the problem is a problem is, is ’cause we don’t bookend it and stop it or give it a a stop start point to give it a framework to play in. So what we do is we book 10 to 15 minutes into our calendar when we wanna plan or prepare or organize it and, and face into something that we wanna work on or something that we feel might be challenging that causes these excuses to come up. Oh, I heard myself say this excuse.
Nathan Simmonds:
Okay, let’s plan some time into procrastinate. Sounds interesting, doesn’t it? Anyone? Has anyone ever been told to plan time to, to procrastinate before? Yes or no? No. Absolutely no. No, absolutely. Plan time to procrastinate. 10 to 15 minutes. Bookend your time to procrastinate and go crazy. You’ve got 15 minutes to go crazy, procrastinate as much as you like. So then what we do is the second piece we wanna provoke.
Nathan Simmonds:
What do we mean by this? We ask open questions to help understand what the procrastination’s coming from. We hear maybe the voice of the critic we hear you know, voices of our parents or people that told us we can’t do this or can’t do that. No, don’t do that. You’ll be eaten by wild seaweed or, you know, attacked by sharks. Whatever it is comes from a children’s book by the way. That that part, we use open questions to then focus our attention because the quality of your day is dictated by the quality of the questions that you started with.
Nathan Simmonds:
So when we use these questions to create that focus, we can either choose to make statements of, I can’t do that, or that’s too difficult. Well, great, thanks for that, Mr. Voice of the or Mrs. Voice of the critic, what would you suggest I do based on the caring love and you know, the fact that you want to help me be, stay safe and feel good. What would you suggest that I do to make this a success? What action could I do right now that’s gonna move me forward? What’s the one smallest thing we can do right now to create the biggest impact?
Nathan Simmonds:
So by using these questions that I’ve used over the last couple of days, you can say, oh, actually if I just do that, that makes that. So rather than making a statement of I am, which is one of the most definitive statements you can create about yourself, I am a failure. I am you know, challenged. I, I am lacking in resources. You know, you’re making a definite statement about yourself and your capabilities.
Nathan Simmonds:
So in this, what we’re saying is rather than saying I am this, what can I do about this? What can I learn that’s gonna move this forward? What do I need to and pay attention to? What things do I need to do to create some security in this? So I use the excuses that are coming up and I turn them into questions. So maybe it’s boring. So what can I do to make this exciting that’s gonna help me move it forward?
Nathan Simmonds:
How can I create a certain amount of certainty in this and still stimulate some new responses? So we start to shift the questions. We use our coaching questions or open questions that are gonna help us provoke some new responses. By the way, you may remember that we’ve just suddenly received these, the coaching cards, the grow coaching cards. There’s a series of questions in there that can help you do this as well. So whether it’s that deck or whether it’s the leadership deck, there’s a deck of cards and that’s gonna help you.
Nathan Simmonds:
There’s a rather serious looking gentleman on the top of that pack there as well. Super happy with these. And I know these are landing on doormats now. We’ve had some challenges getting these out. They are on their way. If you haven’t got your deck in the chat box is the deck of coaching cards. Please get yourself a pack, five pound, huge amounts of value that are gonna help you do that. So we ask ourselves some serious open questions that are gonna help us take action.
Nathan Simmonds:
Number two, number, sorry, number three on here. The last p in this, as always with any of my models, is about taking action progress. So we’ve taken 10 to 15 minutes to plan the time to actually procrastinate. We put it in our diary. We’ve asked some open coaching questions to ourselves to get some new ideas about what we can do and what we would like to do and how we wanna move it rather than just sitting in it.
Nathan Simmonds:
And then as a result of that, we take action. We progress the plan that we just put in place. I hope this is useful. I hope this makes sense to everyone. Conscious of time. What has been useful from today’s session that’s gonna help you take even more action and create even more success in your life, work and at home? What have you taken away from today?
Nathan Simmonds:
Wait for those coming. I haven’t got a drink. I let myself down and didn’t make a cup of tea. Failure is not the opposite of success. It is the route to success. Absolutely. Most of us are just kids trapped in adult bodies dealing with the same fits completely. Just found another way not to make a light bulb yet believe absolute truth and practice doesn’t make perfect. It makes progress. Absolutely. They say another perfect practice makes perfect pro, you know, whatever.
Nathan Simmonds:
No, there is no such thing as perfect. You are, you are enough. We are perfect. There is perfection is in absolutely everything when you want to get down to the spiritual. At the same time though, when we take actions with developing skill sets, it just makes progress. It moves us. Failure is the root of success. Absolutely. Plan. Absolutely three P’s. Amazing. Good to think of better questions to ask myself.
Nathan Simmonds:
Absolutely. Fear is equal. Action. Agreed. When you fear fill the fears, we get caught in it and we get stuck in it. And know this failure. One of the things I’ve shared many times and I’ve I’ve shared it millions times again, you know, in the nicest possible way, is the best fertilizer. Okay? Now horse manure grows incredible crops. What that means is, though, is we use that stuff as nourishment and we can either choose to sit in that.
Nathan Simmonds:
And if you do that with seeds, I’ve got my my, my chili plants growing on the window sills at the moment. If we sit in that, the seeds rot, but what they actually do is they put down roots and they grow incredibly. So when we have these fears and from these pains, from these failures, we can either choose to sit in that or we can grow from it. It’s completely up to us.
Nathan Simmonds:
Good. Three Ps and flow night and day failure success. Absolutely. You can’t have one without the other. You wouldn’t know what success was if you didn’t know what it felt like to fall over and cut your knees. I hope this is making sense. What questions have you got for me about today, the last two days? What, what is it I can help you with around procrastination? Action. All these elements, while those are coming through, tomorrow’s sticky learning lunch, we are getting into time management. Okay?
Nathan Simmonds:
So we’re gonna do seven stages of time management. We’re gonna go through the some core understandings in there to really help you take some of this stuff. So you start to see how some of these values and these understandings and the procrastination stuff then is gonna knock over into our time management and how we’re making sure we’re structuring our diaries and our approaches to things in a, in a different way so that we can get those actions in place and we can keep taking the actions and moving us forward.
Nathan Simmonds:
So if you have not registered for tomorrow’s session, wherever that you know, that chat box is on your screen, the link is in there for tomorrow’s session and the future sessions, please go there, register, and also open. Question to you all. Who do you know that would benefit from more? I know some, some stronger skills in time management. Who do you know that you need to share this link with that’s gonna help them improve how they’re managing their time?
Nathan Simmonds:
Call to action. Copy that link into an email, send it to them and tell ’em about these sticky learning lunches. Share it with them so they can then turn up. It’s free and it’s gonna help them get better results with their time. I’ve got steely silence on the question front. Yes or no? Do you have let or everyone let me know? Yes or no? Do you have a question right now? And if it’s a no, that’s absolutely fine. Got a couple of noss come in. Good.
Nathan Simmonds:
It is motivation killed by fear. IEI don’t associate with the fears, perhaps wrongly at the time. I feel my issue is being motivating, motivated the end goal. Absolutely. So difference between motivation and inspiration. It’s super important. We understand what this is. Okay, so motivation is external. Inspiration is internal. That’s when we get kind of do extrinsic and intrinsic motivations or they, they the same motivations.
Nathan Simmonds:
Motivation is your salary. Motivation is the packet of Haribo the whatever it is, double time, overtime, it’s all outside of you. If you have children, they’re actually a motivation. Motivations are finite. You know, they, they have a stopping point and the nicest possible, and I, and I explain this is my daughter is motivation. At some point I will stop being or my daughter will. So therefore that motivation has a, has a stopping point. Inspiration though is internal, you know, that is infinite.
Nathan Simmonds:
So it starts with IN the same as inspiration. You cannot take my inspiration away from me. It’s the same thing that drives me to deliver the content in these sticking learning lunches as it is. That drives me. Who do I want to be in relation to my daughter? What do I wanna contribute to this situation, to this relationship? So when we understand that yes, your fears will get in the way of you displaying who you are at your fundamental best, your fears will know, cut those things off for you.
Nathan Simmonds:
But we will, those are the things that we’ve been learned and we’ve overlaid over the top of who we are. And then the excuses come out just to justify why we’re staying where we’re staying. So when you hear the excuse you are procrastinating, which fear is it? That’s boiling up actually. Let’s bring that down. What do I want to bring to this conversation? What are my values? What’s important to me? Okay, how do I make sure I keep delivering that? So again, when we’re getting to this provocation stage and we’re asking what are your values?
Nathan Simmonds:
What, you know, what is it you wanna bring to this that’s gonna make a difference for these people? What would you like to be contributing? What will keep you engaged in this? And even, you know, what is the thing that you know is bigger than this that I need to be striving for? That this leads me into, is it what I really want? Absolutely. Is it what I really want? It comes back to that motivation, inspiration. Hold onto that.
Nathan Simmonds:
No, you’ve done it very well. Thank Lynn. You’re very welcome. I hope this is truly useful. Thank you very much for being here. You’ve got the link for the coaching cards in the chat books. You’ve got the link there for tomorrow’s session. As always, you know, this isn’t just what we do at sticky learning at at NBM. We have the virtual classrooms available where we have a whole raft of soft skills. I hate that word and I wish I could find a better word. Soft skills. ’cause these skills aren’t soft.
Nathan Simmonds:
These skills are necessary important. And, you know, uncommon, regrettably in a lot of people, in a lot of businesses, and this is where we wanna share them. So the virtual classroom, there is a link there for the virtual classrooms. Go and see what we do. Start a conversation, speak to Darren, the founder, speak to us at, you know, at MBM and see how we can bring these, these lessons to life for you and your businesses to help improve the results you are getting as an individual, as a team, as an organization.
Nathan Simmonds:
And you know, it is, that’s what they’re there for. So we wanna open up the conversation. Final question about any studies which show procrastination is addictive. I don’t know specifically if there are any studies. I haven’t seen them myself to say if they’re addictive. What I do know though is I started, you know, this a couple of days ago, is your central nervous system is designed for comfort. It’s an evolutionary function to keep you safe.
Nathan Simmonds:
And in order to do that, it needs to create a sense of security. Do I know where my food is? Do I know where my salary is coming from? Do I know where my children are? You know, all these things. So your, your, your whole evolution is, is wired around this. It’s all about playing safe. When you get into the things like comfort zones though, now your, your comfort zone will either shrink or expand to meet you wherever you stand in relation to it. He says, let’s see what we’re I’ve got here. If this is me and this is my comfort zone,
Nathan Simmonds:
If I stand right in the middle of it and get super comfortable, my comfort zone will shrink to meet me. If I stand out here though in discomfort, my comfort zone will actually expand to meet me until my comfort zone is bigger. You have a choice how and where you want to stand within or outside of that. What I do know is the further inside your comfort zone you stand, the more restricted you’ll become until you’re shrink wrapped in your own comfort zone and you’ll have no wiggle space.
Nathan Simmonds:
And as a result of that, you then get into the mental health conversations and the challenges that come with that. We have to be experiencing growth. Although our central nervous system is wired for comfort, our psyche and our our, our soul as, as for want of better words, is actually designed for growth and our mentality. So we have to push ourselves out there to experience that growth.
Nathan Simmonds:
And life begins at the edge of your comfort zone. As Neil Donna Wool says, Neil Donna Wool, I think it is. Now you have to, you know, change, you know, requires challenge and you have to live in a place of discomfort in order to get that traction you need. And without it, without that level of uncertainty and you stay in that certainty, anxiety kicks in because you can’t deal with the other, with the, with the ad hoc cases or the, the, the curve balls coming in. So you have to be constantly pushing at the boundaries and playing in a different space.
Nathan Simmonds:
Ah, what do wait to finish three days of procrastination And the fingers crossed, that means that your procrastination is now a thing of joy and a thing to be made use of and is now a tool, an instrument that’s helping you to understand that you are going in the right direction. Because the moment you do something that’s uncomfortable, your procrastination’s gonna kick in. You can see it for what it is here, your own excuses and still take action. Scale of one’s 10, one being terrible, useless, never gonna, you know, come to one of these sessions ever again. 10 being phenomenal. Really useful. Making a difference.
Nathan Simmonds:
Got 10, 10, 10. We’ve got an 11, we’ve got a nine and a half. Karen coming in with a nine. Thanks Karen. Zero petrol. I hope that was a typo. Yes it was. Yeah, my heart going there. , , thank you very much. Everyone, look, it is time. We have overrun by three minutes. I’m just checking my clock. Thank you, thank you, thank you, thank you all of you for being here. It is very appreciate. This stuff is very important to me. Why? Because I’ve done this a lot of my life, okay? I want you to do something different.
Nathan Simmonds:
And because of that understanding, because of this experience, I want you to have these tools and I want you to do something different with that and make an exception. Okay? Everyone, be incredible. Thank you very much. Have a phenomenal rest of your day. We look forward to speaking to you. To, to you tomorrow. If you wanna speak about the virtual classroom. Link is there. We’ve got an article on procrastination. Everything’s there. Come and find us. Let’s have a bigger conversation about this. Everyone have a lovely rest of your day and I’ll speak to you tomorrow.
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